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Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - Ostarr - 06-15-2009 09:08 AM
omg zuerst werde ich auf einem q69 mit 99 vs AQ gesuckt turn Q river 6 pot war 3*avg dann down unter avg wider hochgekämpft und dann kommt dieser pot, alles beim wsop ME qualifer steht für meine letzten 2 tage
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NL Holdem $600(BB) Poker Stars Game#29375394879
ostereo ($25,350)
carlotta369 ($8,318)
itsacert ($21,674)
wired_c4 ($32,453)
JessaLina ($23,847)
Superknut ($32,471)
mauijim007 ($36,061)
prinsen123 ($18,585)
JessaLina antes $70
Superknut antes $70
mauijim007 antes $70
prinsen123 antes $70
ostereo antes $70
carlotta369 antes $70
itsacert antes $70
wired_c4 antes $70
ostereo posts (SB) $300
carlotta369 posts (BB) $600
Dealt to ostereo Kd Kc
fold, fold,
JessaLina raises to $1,800
fold, fold, fold,
ostereo raises to $4,200
fold,
JessaLina raises to $23,777 (AI)
ostereo calls $19,577
FLOP ($48,714) Ah Jh 2s
TURN ($48,714) Ah Jh 2s 6s
RIVER ($48,714) Ah Jh 2s 6s 7c
JessaLina shows 9s As
(Pre 32%, Flop 90.5%, Turn 97.7%)
ostereo shows Kd Kc
(Pre 68%, Flop 9.5%, Turn 2.3%)
JessaLina wins $48,714<br /><br />-- Beitrag erweitert: 15.06.2009, 09:08 -- <br /><br />verdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamttttttttttttttttttttttt
ich bin immernoch sooo verbittert über den verlauf dieses Tourneys,
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - crt1 - 06-15-2009 08:48 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20+$2 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO (t5996)
Button (t7143)
Hero (SB) (t16346)
BB (t8504)
UTG (t27508)
UTG+1 (t9055)
MP1 (t14082)
MP2 (t14700)
MP3 (t2061)
Hero's M: 12.11
Preflop: Hero is SB with 8
![[Bild: club.gif]](http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif)
, A6 folds, Button calls t600, Hero calls t300, BB bets t8454 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t7854
Flop: (t17958) 10
, Q, 10![[Bild: spade.gif]](http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif)
(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t17958) A
(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t17958) A
![[Bild: diamond.gif]](http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif)
(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: t17958
ich complete nur, da ich von BU noch keine Hand gesehen habe, sein call war komisch.
bb ist ultraaggro, deswegen---> snapcall
er zeigt
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
990 games 0.001 secs 990,000 games/sec
Board: Ts Qs Th
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 99.394% 99.39% 00.00% 984 0.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 00.606% 00.61% 00.00% 6 0.00 { As8s }
wtf, schon was übleres ausgeteilt/bekommen?
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - y_jason_y - 06-15-2009 08:53 PM
lustiger villain..ipoker..lol..
(c/r overbet turn war villainabhängig..)
$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 153957
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN/SB: $92.61
Hero (BB): $152.25
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 3
![[Bild: club.gif]](http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif)
2![[Bild: diamond.gif]](http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif)
BTN/SB calls $0.50, Hero checks
Flop: ($2.00) A
J![[Bild: spade.gif]](http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif)
4 (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB checks
Turn: ($2.00) 5
(2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $12, BTN/SB raises to $23, Hero raises to $62, BTN/SB raises to $91.61, Hero calls $29.61
River: ($185.22) 4
(2 players)Final Pot: $185.22
BTN/SB shows Q
![[Bild: heart.gif]](http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif)
AHero wins $184.22
(Rake: $1.00)
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - Ostarr - 06-15-2009 09:54 PM
lol
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - Gibb Stutz - 06-18-2009 05:20 AM
..lol der dude hat 4k winnings ueber 2k sample(NL200) und spielt so:
Grabbed byHoldem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Entraction
SB ($349)
BB ($414)
Hero ($1,145)
CO ($830)
BTN ($416)
Dealt to Hero K:diamond: A:diamond:
Hero raises to $14, CO raises to $45, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $128, CO calls $83
FLOP ($262) 6:club: 4
A:spade: Hero bets $168, CO calls $168
TURN ($598) 6:club: 4
A:spade: 8:club: Hero bets $849 (AI), CO calls $534 (AI)
RIVER ($1,667) 6:club: 4
A:spade: 8:club: 2:diamond: Hero shows K:diamond: A:diamond:
(Pre 63%, Flop 76.8%, Turn 79.5%)
CO shows 5:diamond: 4:spade:
(Pre 37%, Flop 23.2%, Turn 20.5%)
Hero wins $1,664
was denkz er was ich habe hier?? KQ???
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - tron - 06-18-2009 10:54 AM
gerade längere PM geschrieben. und da es sinnvoll war, hier ein teil davon:
und hier der alte thread: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/destroyed-3-6-time-move-up-graph-286574/">http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/po ... ph-286574/</a><!-- m --> ; hat einige imho extrem gute sachen drin und denke, sind sicher hilfreich für euch.
einige zitate:
"Your mental, emotional state while playing is 80 % of the work, and you can work and take specific steps to get better at that. Being in the right emotional state will allow you to open up your eyes to what you and the other players are doing without being stuck in the previous hand you lost, how much you are up, what you´re gonna eat later, etc."
"Also, as I mention above, I believe hand reading to be a function of your mental / emotional state at the time more than anything else.
Ever noticed that some days you can put people on hands right and left, other days you´re just fumbling in the dark? They haven´t changed, you haven´t changed, your skills have not diminished. But you are probably not in that same emotional state you were in when playing the first game."
"The big difference between the average 1-2 grinder and the average 3/6 or 5/10 grinder is definitiely not raw talent or godgiven natural abilities. It is risk tolerance, bankroll management, game selection, tilt control. All very simple things to reign in with a little emotional control. Once in a great while, just due to the large volume of players, you will get some kind of prodigy that will go from the micros to the nosebleeds very quickly, and not by virtue of luck or "positive variance" but a natural understanding of the game. These people are definitely the minority."
"Most of you guys have no basic technical problems when it comes to this game. You understand pot control, way ahead / way behind, position, equity, pot odds, 3-bet equity, etc. The reason you struggle with the more subtle technical aspects is that they usually require a good and clean state of mind whilst playing and analyzing. If you are on constant subtle tilt you will never understand your own image, your opponents projected image vs the way they actually play, what your history with a specific opponent really means and CORRECT adjustments (as opposed to a couple of 3 bets and now you´re waiting to shove any 2), and what all this basically boils down to; hand reading and putting your opponent on accurate ranges, and knowing what to do with those ranges. These qualities will separate a 2 ptbb winner, from a 5 ptbb winner. I believe that although I display a 4,7 ptbb winrate, I could have easily avoided many situations where I KNEW I was making the wrong play and made it anyway, and could easily have had a 5,5 - 6 ptbb winrate. I take responsibilty for these results."
und als letztes:
"The absolute most important thing when faced with a big decision, is to first breathe and relax for a couple of seconds.
Have you ever noticed when you get sucked into a hand? Like you have an overpair and you get raised on the turn, you know you´re beat, and beofre you know it you have called anyway? Or what i call the bluff-vortex, when you start with small flop raise, and before you know it you have fired three barrells and you´re all in and get snapcalled by the nuts? What the hell just happened? A 200 bb pot lost out of nowhere!!? If, at any point, you would have just stepped back, taken a breath and realized how little sense your line makes or how narrow his range must be, you would have saved a stack. When you look at it in retrospect, it is very clear to you. This alludes to my earlier point; most of you guys are fine when it comes to the technical aspects of the game, but you need to hone some of the mental and emotional ones."
ps: hier noch link zu neuerem thread von ihm: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/100k-hands-w-ahud-338578/">http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/po ... ud-338578/</a><!-- m -->
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - y_jason_y - 06-18-2009 11:01 AM
tron schrieb:risk tolerance, bankroll management, game selection, tilt controldie absoluten nutzzz...!
kann euch die vids von jared tandler auf stoxpoker empfehlen..er spricht genau über solche themen..!
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - von7thal - 06-18-2009 11:02 AM
sehr interessant. thx!
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - mic23 - 06-18-2009 11:52 AM
sehr interessanter stuff, tnx tron. sicker graph !!
Re: Was geht ab, Mann? - crt1 - 06-19-2009 10:19 PM
PokerStars Game #29554158631: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2009/06/19 22:15:35 CET [2009/06/19 16:15:35 ET]
Table 'Brangane V' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ADZ124 ($5000 in chips)
Seat 2: nutsinho ($17862 in chips)
Seat 3: Axelf82 ($5225 in chips)
Seat 4: MariusT ($11530 in chips)
Seat 5: chacho_j ($3740 in chips)
Seat 6: m_reed05 ($8841 in chips)
Seat 8: FiSHeYe1984 ($5000 in chips)
Seat 9: kingmatthi ($950 in chips)
kingmatthi: posts small blind $25
ADZ124: posts big blind $50
The Liar: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
nutsinho: raises $100 to $150
Axelf82: folds
MariusT: folds
chacho_j: calls $150
m_reed05: calls $150
FiSHeYe1984: calls $150
kingmatthi: folds
ADZ124: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Th Js 8s]
ADZ124: checks
nutsinho: bets $10000
chacho_j: folds
m_reed05: calls $8691 and is all-in
FiSHeYe1984: folds
ADZ124: folds
Uncalled bet ($1309) returned to nutsinho
*** TURN *** [Th Js 8s] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Th Js 8s Kh] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nutsinho: shows [Ts 9s] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
m_reed05: shows [Jh Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Eights)
m_reed05 collected $18154 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18157 | Rake $3
Board [Th Js 8s Kh 8c]
Seat 1: ADZ124 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: nutsinho showed [Ts 9s] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 3: Axelf82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MariusT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: chacho_j folded on the Flop
Seat 6: m_reed05 showed [Jh Jd] and won ($18154) with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
Seat 8: FiSHeYe1984 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: kingmatthi (small blind) folded before Flop